One interesting aspect of the blogosphere is the opportunity to read about different laws in different states. A consistently well-written blog is the Ohio Family Law Blog written by Robert L. Mues. He has a timely post about the history of Father's Day and then describes how different counties in Ohio have different rules for fathers having possession of their children on Father's Day. I'm always interested in history, so here's what he wrote about the history of Father's Day:
"The third Sunday of June has become known as Father’s Day just as the second Sunday of May has become known as Mother’s Day. On that 'special' day in June, Fathers in the United States are feted with cards, gifts (often ties and wallets), meals especially prepared for them or 'dinner out' at their favorite restaurants, as well other special treats such as the preparation of a favorite dish or dessert prepared at home.
"From my readings at various websites, the origin of Father’s Day is not entirely clear. Some say it began with a church service to honor Fathers in Fairmont, West Virginia, on July 5, 1908. Others believe that Ms. Sonora Smart Dodd of Spokane, Washington, came up with the idea or plan to honor Fathers in 1909 while she listened to an earlier church service wherein Mothers were honored and praised. Ms. Dodd’s Father, a veteran of the Civil War and a 'single parent', had successfully raised six (6) children following the premature death of his Wife.
"Although the movement to honor Fathers began over one hundred (100) years ago, it took many years for this country to make this occasion an official holiday. While citizens supported the concept of Mother’s Day with pride and enthusiasm, the idea of Father’s Day was at first met with laughter and satire. While President Woodrow Wilson 'approved' the concept of an annual Father’s Day in 1916, it was not until 1924 when President Calvin Coolidge declared the day to be a national event. Thereafter, Father’s Day was celebrated but was not made a federal holiday until 1966 when President Lyndon B. Johnson issued a proclamation declaring it to be so. Later, in 1972, President Richard Nixon established Father’s Day as a permanent holiday to be celebrated on the third Sunday of June of each year."
Some readers may be a little familiar with that history, but it's not widely known. From a Collaborative Law perspective, what is really useful from the post is the description of the variations in how Father's Day is handled in different counties. Texas has a uniform state standard possession schedule which covers Father's Day, Mother's Day and most other major holidays. While the Texas standard possession schedule often works out well for both parties, it should be noted that our schedule is not followed by other states and doesn't have to be followed in Collaborative Law cases in Texas.
What Texas and other states do in possession orders, child support and even property division can be considered by the parties in a Collaborative case, but the Texas parties should always remember that Collaborative Law gives them the freedom to make their own rules to meet their own needs and circumstances. Be informed and be creative!
Saturday, June 20, 2009
Tuesday, June 2, 2009
Preconditions to Using Collaborative Law
Let me be clear that I have a bias favoring the use of Collaborative Law in settling family law disputes. When there is a hesitation by the other side in a case, I get concerned.
On occasion, as I have talked with Collaborative lawyers about starting a new case as a Collaborative divorce, the other attorney has suggested that s/he wasn't sure the case would be a good one for Collaborative Law, but we could try it if my client would first: give up custody of the kids, move out of the house or give the spouse a sum of money. Since each of those was the biggest issue in each respective case, my clients didn't see the value in conceding that issue and then using Collaborative for whatever was left. In those cases, I couldn't talk the other attorney into dropping the precondition and the other attorney didn't seem to see anything wrong with that approach.
Custody, use of the house and getting access to money are common issues that are dealt with over and over in Collaborative Law. They can be tough issues in any kind of approach. Judges and juries often have trouble making decisions on those topics and they can be tough issues even in the Collaborative Law approach. Nevertheless, I wouldn't hesitate to use Collaborative to work out agreements on those issues. For all the reasons why we are committed to Collaborative, it is usually a superior way to resolve these legal issues.
From my perspective, the real reason why some attorneys insist on preconditions to using Collaborative Law is that they just aren't fully comfortable with the process and aren't convinced it can work with difficult issues. In other words, it's a lack of commitment to the process. Sometimes, attorneys are so integrated into positional bargaining that they can't let go of the security of grabbing a position and holding on. When we are "brought up" doing positional negotiating, interest-based negotiations may seem a little scary. Attorneys may feel out of control when they don't have clear cut positions they can claim and hold in negotiations.
So, what's a person to do?
If you go to see a Collaborative lawyer and that lawyer starts telling you that the case really isn't appropriate for Collaborative Law, I suggest that you challenge the attorney to explain why. And I suggest that you get another opinion from another Collaborative lawyer.
Unfortunately, some attorneys claim to be a trained Collaborative lawyer when they really aren't or when they don't really practice Collaborative Law, and those attorneys use the ads or web site sections to bring in potential clients whom they then tell that Collaborative Law is not appropriate for their case. Any time you are told that Collaborative Law won't work in your case, you should get a second opinion from another Collaborative lawyer.
Sometimes, after discussing the proposal to use Collaborative Law with the attorney, it's the client who wants to impose a precondition before agreeing to use Collaborative Law. In that instance, it's clear that the attorney just hasn't explained the process very well or the client perceives that the attorney isn't real comfortable with the process. If the attorney isn't sold on Collaborative Law, the client probably won't be either. Again, a second opinion would be advisable.
The bottom line is that agreeing to use Collaborative Law only if a precondition is met is unacceptable. If you want to use the process, keep searching until you find a truly committed and experienced Collaborative lawyer who will help you.
On occasion, as I have talked with Collaborative lawyers about starting a new case as a Collaborative divorce, the other attorney has suggested that s/he wasn't sure the case would be a good one for Collaborative Law, but we could try it if my client would first: give up custody of the kids, move out of the house or give the spouse a sum of money. Since each of those was the biggest issue in each respective case, my clients didn't see the value in conceding that issue and then using Collaborative for whatever was left. In those cases, I couldn't talk the other attorney into dropping the precondition and the other attorney didn't seem to see anything wrong with that approach.
Custody, use of the house and getting access to money are common issues that are dealt with over and over in Collaborative Law. They can be tough issues in any kind of approach. Judges and juries often have trouble making decisions on those topics and they can be tough issues even in the Collaborative Law approach. Nevertheless, I wouldn't hesitate to use Collaborative to work out agreements on those issues. For all the reasons why we are committed to Collaborative, it is usually a superior way to resolve these legal issues.
From my perspective, the real reason why some attorneys insist on preconditions to using Collaborative Law is that they just aren't fully comfortable with the process and aren't convinced it can work with difficult issues. In other words, it's a lack of commitment to the process. Sometimes, attorneys are so integrated into positional bargaining that they can't let go of the security of grabbing a position and holding on. When we are "brought up" doing positional negotiating, interest-based negotiations may seem a little scary. Attorneys may feel out of control when they don't have clear cut positions they can claim and hold in negotiations.
So, what's a person to do?
If you go to see a Collaborative lawyer and that lawyer starts telling you that the case really isn't appropriate for Collaborative Law, I suggest that you challenge the attorney to explain why. And I suggest that you get another opinion from another Collaborative lawyer.
Unfortunately, some attorneys claim to be a trained Collaborative lawyer when they really aren't or when they don't really practice Collaborative Law, and those attorneys use the ads or web site sections to bring in potential clients whom they then tell that Collaborative Law is not appropriate for their case. Any time you are told that Collaborative Law won't work in your case, you should get a second opinion from another Collaborative lawyer.
Sometimes, after discussing the proposal to use Collaborative Law with the attorney, it's the client who wants to impose a precondition before agreeing to use Collaborative Law. In that instance, it's clear that the attorney just hasn't explained the process very well or the client perceives that the attorney isn't real comfortable with the process. If the attorney isn't sold on Collaborative Law, the client probably won't be either. Again, a second opinion would be advisable.
The bottom line is that agreeing to use Collaborative Law only if a precondition is met is unacceptable. If you want to use the process, keep searching until you find a truly committed and experienced Collaborative lawyer who will help you.
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